The hills are alive with the sound of screaming - An interview with Michael Berryman

"This most definitely does not look like the picture in the brochure!" my wife cried at me as we made our way through what seemed like a wasteland, and I had to agree with her... The arid desert and the abandoned cars really didn't look like the photo's... We expected an oasis... 

'Set in the heart of the California countryside, this idyllic setting is perfect for that weekend getaway for the whole family. The hotel itself is surrounded by palm trees and the natural desert wildlife to create an unspoiled atmosphere to enhance your holiday experience. 

Transport included.'  

I couldn't even see the hotel advertised... and as for the transport?! Every time this rickety old bus turned a corner I thought it might break down and I swear a chunk of the engine had fallen out a few miles back.... No she was right... Nagging and annoying, yes, but right... This most definitely did not look like the brochure.  

This was meant to be a magical getaway, to try and kick start our failing marriage, but I swear even David Blaine couldn't do anything to make this holiday magical!

I looked at the others on the bus, there were only two other families; a couple in their early twenties and I'm guessing, newly-weds, who after a short period of, almost pornographic activity, had constantly bitched and bickered to each other through this long, hot journey... Yes, the air conditioning was a pile of crap... Yes, the heat was unbearable...  Yes, there were scorpions... and YES, it had been 8 hours... But this guy really had to learn to tune his wife out, an art I had discovered many years ago... All I hear these days is 'Hotel California' by the Eagles on a loop in my head, and as long as I nodded in the right places and made the occasional grunt, she was none the wiser. 

The only other people on the bus was this middle aged couple with two screaming teenage kids... Oh my god... They were killing me! Thank the lord we didn't have any kids! These two were feral... When they weren't playing on their computer game thingies, they were screaming and fighting with one another... And the parents??? Well they seemed blind to the whole freakin' pantomime! They just say there, eyes front... Looking bored... 

And then was this guy right at the front, big guy, to be honest I hadn't even remembered him getting on, but he was quiet though, thank the lord for small mercies and just sat and quietly read... I couldn't see much but a bald head from behind...  But he was quiet... So this guy I liked. 

I looked at the picture in the brochure once again and prayed for a cool bed, a pool and maybe one of the cocktails they featured, yes, that's exactly what I'll order when we get there, I thought... If we ever get there!

"Say something!" My wife nagged... "Say something to the driver!"

I got up from my seat and carefully made my way to the front of the bus while it shook and rocked... I really shouldn't of had that second Burrito, I thought. The driver had been really friendly at first, asking us where we were from and shaking our hands with a big smile, but then we had stopped at that gas station to refuel and everything changed... To be honest they guy actually looked slimmer that when he first got on, but we were tired and I didn't like to say anything...  So, passing the family and the bickering couple I neared the front, then, just as I passed the bald guy and got to the driver and with no warning the driver turned to me and growled "Get back into your seat... NOW!" 

I stared into his eyes, this was not the driver we had had before... This guy was not friendly... This guy as not smiley... and this guy had far less teeth...

With a start I took the nearest seat to me, beside the bald guy... I gave a weak smile, I was shaken and a bit scared but that did not stop me from realising who this guy was...  It was actor Michael Berryman!!! 

Michael Berryman - born 4th September 1948 -  has made a career out of portraying mutant bikers, evil undertakers, monsters and other frightening characters, most notibly the character Pluto in Wes Craven's cult classic 'The hills have eyes' in 1977.  

As soon as I realised all fears flew out of the window... I checked back at my wife, she sat there arms crossed, a sour look across her face, lips pursed... She was angry... Staying here was a much better option... And this way I could chat to Michael,  he put down the script he was reading and was happy to talk.

So Michael when did you realise you had such a unique look, that was perfect for movies?

"I was born with birth defects and looked different than most children. In school I received a lot of teasing and simply ignorant comments. I realized that when I was cast for 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest', it was my look and actual skull re-constructive surgery (which fit nicely for a lobotomy), that looked the role. It was my conversations and meeting with Saul Zantz, Michael Douglas and Milos Forman that cemented the relationship we shared, during the creation of the 'Nest'. So, it was my outward 'package' that created their interest in me, but it was my love for Art that helped me convince them I was their 'Ellis'. Milos was an incredible mentor for me. I started filming on my 2nd day working as a SAG actor. It felt great and was an adventure that I am eternally thankful for....I learned plenty during my 127 days filming ...at Oregon State Mental Hospital!!"

But did you always want to be an actor? 

"Oh no...it never crossed my mind, ever. I had all the attention for my looks that I could stand. When I left college in 1972, all I had plans for was to homestead in Alaska. I had been to veterinary school and just wanted to live in a refuge of earthly creation, (beauty and blessings)...our Home...Planet...Our Mother...so to speak. I wanted to live with the animals and only associate with humans that appreciated Creation. I did love film...but I grew up in Los Angeles before the freeways...and it was nice. So, to stay in the 'ant farm of metropolis' was not very appealing to me. My family had many friends in 'Hollywood', TV and Film. They were very cool and creative and quick to laughter. For me, 1972 was my year to go north."

I looked out the window... Well 2015 was certainly not my year to go to the desert, I thought... 

So who discovered you?

"I came home to Santa Monica, CA in 1972. While living in city of Venice Beach, George Pal (Famous Producer of the original  'War Of The Worlds') met me and asked..'Are you an actor?'...I replied 'No...I just own the art shop across the street'. He then handed me a business card that said: Warner Brothers Studios....I realized George was a famous producer and told him I loved 'War. of the Worlds’..), He smiled and said:'Just call my office and come meet with my Director...please be in my film...you have the perfect look for the Coroner in 'Doc Savage...The Man Of Bronze'...and I said 'Yes'...So the journey began!"

                 
But, what was your childhood like? 
"My childhood? Well, some would say that I am still a child at heart. But to answer the query, I'll say this: I spent much of my youth just being a kid but had to see loads of doctors over the years. The exact diagnosis was my a mish-mash of health conditions. My brothers and sister are of normal health and we all got along, playing etc. like siblings do! " 

And you must get recognised everywhere you go?! 

"Being recognized today is just fine. The people I meet are from every walk of life. It is fun to engage in conversation...especially since I am also a fan of storytelling. Many people I meet also have interesting histories to share. To me this exchange of ideas is a delight."

Now can you please tell me about the epic 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest'?

"'Cuckoo's Nest' was my “baptism” into film. We had all hand picked crew members. The sound dept. were from 'Mutiny on the Bounty'...Fred Phillips (who created Star Trek’s Spock's ears) was the head of the make-up department. Milos Forman was director and new to Hollywood. This film was a maverick! Every day on set (6-day work week) was special. Press and writers of film arrived daily from around the globe. The director of the real hospital was the same Dean Brooks who was the director at the time. Some of the people on the 3rd floor where Jack and the chief were electro-shocked, were actual patients at the time. They had signed releases. We would spend 1 hour each day of our 2-week rehearsal period, with the real patients. They told us what it was like to live such a life. It was bitter-sweet and painful, to hear. We came away from 'Nest' with a better appreciation of humanity and it's scarcity in the 'outside' world. I knew why some people remain in the hospital, forever. The outside world can be crushing."

But of course you are known best for playing the crazy cannibal, Pluto in 'The Hills Have Eyes' - part one and two!

"Of course, a 15-day shoot in the desert with all the stops pulled; pure rebel filming...we went for the jugular and never let go!!! Two families and ..'nothing to eat'!!! Pick one!! We did!!! Realism was our goal...the result was a drive-in-classic and my first poster shot! Thank you Peter Locke."

What was Wes Cravens reaction when you first auditioned for him?

"Wes was a quiet guy. He had a smile with a bit of a 'prankster-look'. He and Barry and Peter were happy kids in a candy store when we started to film 'Hills'. Now I had lived in the desert for many years and in the nearby mountains. So, for me, the location shoot was fun. 

And the others?

Most of the other actors were from Los Angeles.  They wanted their own trailers and did not like the desert at all. So, me and Papa Jupiter and Mars, would tease Suze Lanier and Dee Wallace everyday. They would all sit together and not hang with us 'Hill' folk much. It was a fun rivalry. Just watch how the dad with the moustache really get's into killing and stabbing Mars...then finishes with a kick. Too much fun!"

And what on earth did you have to do for an audition?!

"At the beginning...when I first met production...they told me I had the fissures/scars in my skull so I was the mutant/Pluto they wanted. But it was the action and physicality of Pluto that made the role work.

Wes as a director really wanted raw danger. His premis of course the question..'If a normal family was caught in a situation like we presented; would or could they kill and/or become survival enough to live? He felt the answer would be yes! Well, it was..."

The bus suddenly slowed and rolled silently into a layby. The driver turned to us, growled and called out, with almost a snarl "Break stop...", then exited the bus and with almost a sprint disappeared into the nearby rocks... But all I could think about was how a man could have such a massive harelip drink icetea? 

Nobody else seemed to want to get off... Must have been the scorpions... or the landscape...
Michael didn't get up either, he obviously didn't need a break, so I carried on with my questions.

How did Wes Craven direct you? Did he let you create the character yourself?

"There is a scene where Pluto is watching the 'white bread family'..and he reports to Mercury what he sees. Wes wanted Pluto to quickly flick his knife on a rock for tension and then run off camera...in a threatening manner. I told Wes that Pluto would always have his knife razor sharp and to scrape the rock would dull the knife. He said 'ok, but I really need that exit. I understood but held my ground...we see Pluto exit with the laughter towards Mercury as he keeps the whole killing/sport/sustenance mission in proper perspective. Pluto made a game of everything because he was most cunning and dangerous. My choice of character development. An artistic decision."

It's a pretty intense, scary bit of film making, but you must have a favourite funny? 

"My favorite laugh is when Grandpa Fred tells the father..'There's something you ought to know..' he then continues till he says: 'I took a tire iron and  split his face wide open' then the father asks 'well how bad was it? I always crack up at this....'HE SPLIT HIS FACE WIDE OPEN WITH A TIRE IRON!!!'  I think that must hurt!"

Ha! That was cool and in exchange I told him about me and the wife's wedding day and how she got her hair caught in the bouquet as she tried to throw it... That was a funny story! Nearly scalped her! I looked back, she was still sucking lemons so I carried on...

No sign of the driver yet either... 

You had a small, but memorable part in Weird Science, it must have been fun to film, did it take many takes to get it right? That part of the movie makes me scream with laughter, it must have been fun to film?

"Such a weird question!! Love it. Robert Downey, Jr. is a great talent. I could see art when he was in character. I love this film! Just saw it yesterday. John Hughes is still my favorite director for honest comedy...such a perfect distillation of awkward youth..meets the moment of wish fulfilment. My role was comedy/threat/humility...but when my biker character exited the room, I chose to speak while moving/pushing the motorcycle, and said '....God Bless'. This was to ensure I would not be edited out and while moving, it is tough to cut dialogue and have continuity. So, I said 'God Bless'

because my old friend Red Skelton would say at the end of the Red Skelton Show: 'Good night and God Bless'. It was an homage to a talented soul."

Cool...
Then out of the window in the far distance we saw the driver slowly walking back, but he wasn't alone... Three others were with him... New holidayers? Ah well, it seemed odd but, hell... I could easily get a few more questions in before they got to the bus.

You have done a lot of Star Trek, do you have a favourite part?

"Star Trek......Well, the legacy will last forever. The humanity in Gene's storytelling will be of value forever. I am very grateful to have been part of ST4 and Next generation.

So Kirk or Pickard then?

I grew up on the original TV series. The stories are wonderful. So was The Twilight Zone. The humanity in the writing is very important. The original created the space for Next Generation. I love them both but would have to go with Kirk. 'Live Long And Prosper'...very cool, indeed!!"

And is it really all wobbly sets?

"No, the sets are beautiful...the Art Department is the best! Maybe in the beginning....the budget was very weak."

So is there a role you would just love to play? 

"I would love to play a hermit outside of society that has the wisdom to share with those who can carry on the quest."

Speaking of 'outside society', the driver and the others were getting nearer... These guys looked as odd as he did... Something didn't feel right... But Michael didn't seem too bothered... This comforted me and I carried on... 

And you've met and worked with so many fabulous actors and actresses...

"The artists I have met that possessed humanity and talent the most are: Burt Lancaster, Paul Newman, Brandon Lee, Cheryl Ladd, Leonard Nimoy, Robert Downey Jr., Joanie Mitchell, Kenny Rodgers, Andrew Getty."

And do you have a favourite Hollywood story?

"I don't have a favorite Hollywood story...but my own is doing my best to be the most personal towards other people as I can."

Well, I thought as the three men entered the bus, this might be the time to be the best you can be towards me... The driver climbed in after them... "They's with me" he shouted... "They's kin"... Michael and I looked at each other, now I was scared... I looked at my hands, I was shaking and my heart felt like it was pumping at a thousand beats to the second... 

The second guy, shorter than the others, long greasy hair tied back in a scarf and deep scaring to his face turned to me and laughed, an evil, terrifying, gurgling laugh, doing nothing for my nerves... I smiled back, unable to think of what to do. 

Then the three of them walked to the back of the bus, leaving the driver standing by the door and one by one they grabbed everyone and dragged them off the bus... The bickering couple, the annoying family and then my wife... I just sat there, looking ahead not knowing what to do, I didn't want to make eye contact with any of them... Even her... Especially her... 

Then quick as a flash, just as the last 'kin' had got off Michael stood up and pushing passed me, with one quick motion shoved the driver out, jumped into his seat, pulled the lever to shut the door and hit his foot on the gas... 

We rode in silence for quite a while, not quite comprehending what had just happened... But then just over the next hill we saw it... Like an oasis in the desert... Our hotel... With a swimming pool and palm trees... 

Michael pulled up just outside the door and we got out, a beautiful young woman appeared with a tray of colourful drinks and a big smile... I looked at the empty bus, no screaming kids... No bickering love birds and no wife...  I took my drink and asked one last question. 

And finally, if the Hills have eyes family were still there in the desert… What do you think they’d be doing now? 

"The Hill's family would be alive and dangerous...with a website: http/GOCAMPINGIF YOU DARE."

Maybe this was going to be the holiday of my dreams after all...

For more information on the lovely Michael, go to his Wikipedia page, his IMDB and his Facebook fan page or just Google him!! 

Don't go to sleep... Retro LadyLand has a sleepover with the scream queen herself, Heather Langenkamp... 1...2... Freddies coming for you...

It was the night of the sleepover and I was as giddy as a school girl, as this had been like no other sleepover I had been on before, or every would again... Tonight I was eating pizza, talking about boys, playing truth or dare and trying desperately, oh so desperately not to go to sleep... because sleeping was the last thing we wanted to do...You see, this sleepover was with none other than the star of Nightmare on Elm Street and the woman who beat Freddy Kruegar... yes,  tonight my sleep over was with the amazing Heather Langenkamp... 

Made in 1984, Nightmare on Elm Street was directed by the horror genius Wes Craven. The film tells the tale of Nancy, [played by Heather] a 16 year-old preppy school girl and her friends who are stalked by a deformed child murderer burned to death by their parents for his crimes and now seeking revenge in their dreams...

Heather and I got into our pyjamas, they were strikingly similar, both Chinese design with flowers down the front and, after spending time making each up, ordering pizza, trying on each others clothes and then eating the ordered pizza until our stomachs hurt, we snuggled down in our sleeping bags and started chatting...

So Heather, I said sipping on another cup of strong coffee, how did you get the part of Nancy?

“It was a large casting call actually in a very grubby part of Hollywood, it was a very low budget horror so they had rented some office space and there was no furniture so it was really demoralising, the whole audition really... We all had to sit on the floor as I remember, while we waited our turn.  And then the casting director came out and we went in one by one, then I went home and got a call back... and then again... and then... I believe the third time I went that Wes Craven was actually there, we had a nice conversation and then I read my part with Amanda Wyss*, then Wes just turned to us and said 'That’s it girls here’s your part', right there in the room! Which never happens! We were just thrilled and excited! We didn't start right away as I remember, I think it was a little bit of a lagged time.

I heard that you were up against some pretty tough competition for Nancy, Jennifer Grey, Courtney Cox… Demi Moore?!

You know I’ve heard people say that but I never saw any of them in the audition room, but back then in the early 80s it wasn’t unusual to see a lot of those people at auditions. I mean everyone was pretty much the same age and it was pretty normal for them to send everybody out on these calls... And it was kind of a heyday of films about teenagers so there was lots of auditions all the time... I thought Nightmare on Elm street was going to be one of those movies that I would probably not be that proud of and certainly never put on my resume!”

We laughed at the irony! I grabbed another biscuit and dipped it in my coffee as Heather continued...

“Because believe it or not, it was not considered mainstream at all to do a horror and actually considered a very low level film, not what you would display in front of casting agents. I don’t even think my agent saw the film when it first came out, I kept telling them to see it but they considered a movie that they didn’t want to waste their time with... That was the attitude in Hollywood back in the 80s, they were disappointed that my very big first film wasn’t something a little more mainstream…”

Ha! Then it turned into one of the biggest films of the 80s!

We laughed at this for a while... But I couldn't hold back any longer... We were two females, alone with sweet treats and nips of whisky in our coffee... We had to talk boys... and one in particular...

They boys? They just came in and sat on the floor and went in for their audition, - in my little documentary film** I explain how Johnny Depp got the part,-  it’s a very sweet story and involves Wes Cravens daughter, Jessica, who happened to be at his office the day and she just took one look at Johnny Depp and said “Dad, You have to hire him!” Even though he was a total unknown and no one had ever even seen him act before.  He just had this charisma that Wes trusted his daughter to see! And he took her advice and hired him...”

And the rest is history... Yes, it was his first role, I wondered could she ever imagine that he would become one of the biggest stars in Hollywood today?

“No, there’s absolutely no way I could have known and he did have a lot of parts in his 20s, in each one you could see how much he grew and became more confident. He really grew into his personality that we know today and you know it’s a combination of so many things, but at the time when we were both 19, I don’t think I would ever thought it.”

I hated myself for going on, but I had to, it was not just the alcohol that was making my head dizzy... but I just had to ask, what was he like? Was he as lovely as he seems on screen?

“Nicer and more wonderful than so many men that you would ever meet, I mean he just had a sincerity and honesty about him that was and still is, I think, very rare. He’s a very caring a gentle person. He doesn’t have a machismo that so many other actors have, or try to have, he seems very settled and comfortable in his own skin and I know that we were both so nervous about doing a good job , but it didn’t translate into anything in him except, just this kind of very heart-warming earnestness that was really charming and we got along great, we weren’t close friends but we definitely had a great time working together...

Swoon...
 
... and I regret that I didn’t keep up with him, but I got married right after, had kids and a family and Hollywood kinda’ went into the back seat of my preverbal life’s car.”

I nodded empathetically.

“I did let a lot of friendships go by the wayside, but I hope one day we’ll get back together and then share some good stories.”

Oooh but he did have good hair…

“Yes, it was like a 50s haircut, all at the top of his head... you know, he looked very conservative, all of his clothes were very um… well, here in America we have football players, they dress in a very preppy way, so that was the character he played... he played more of a straight laced sort of tough guy. 

We laughed about the scene where he got sucked into the bed all the blood! which neatly led me on to my next question about the special effects in the film - There is an iconic scene where Nancy falls asleep in the bath - Go on, I said, tell us about that scene! Were you really in there for 12 hours?!

“Oh yeah, we did that in one day... we started in the water, it was large bathtub but it was about 10 feet deep, it had a false bottom, the bathroom level was elevated and then they built a set to look like a bathroom. So the scuba diver was below me... he was the special effects genius Jim Doyle... he was beneath me with a scuba tank, we did a lot of takes from all sorts of different angles, then we had the opening scene where I’m falling asleep and then the part where he sticks his hand up from beneath the water, so that took a long time. Then he had the part where he pulls me under the water... and the part where I’m getting rescued by my mother... and then when I get out, so that’s a lot of set ups, I mean that’s probably 30 -40 set ups of the camera and that was all in one day…

One day?!

Giggles “But I wasn't sitting in the water the whole day, and I would get out and warmed up and they would heat the water again, so 5 hours maybe…”

That’s still a long bath!

Ha!

So did you have a stunt double for some of that?

“No, no, it was all me, and that’s what surprises me now!

But, the one scene they did stick a stunt woman in was the one shot that I’m actually under the water and you see it black and you see a body struggling against Freddy, that was done later on in the summer time in an outdoor swimming pool, but that was the only section of that scene where they had one."

Did you use one at another times? I mean,  you had some quite physical scenes!

I rarely used one except in the fire scene when were in the basement and I catch Freddy on fire…”

I don’t blame you!

“… and then we did a scene in the bedroom when I roll of the bed and Freddy’s on top of me, that scene I had a stunt woman... oh, and a couple of other scenes, but in general I did all my own stunts like the running, that’s when I cut my foot, I was running and there happened to be a piece of glass on the sidewalk…

OOOhhhh painful... And you had to have stitches..?

“Yes”  (giggles)

“We had to stop production and the producer was really angry and was like ‘Do you have to get the stitches?’  I still joke with him about it because we were literally running out of money and every minute counted on that particular day, we were completely behind schedule so I can see where his attitude was coming from but…

But at least you got the rest of the day off..?

“Oh Gosh I don’t think so, I think I went right back to work!”

And apart from the foot did you have any other accidents during the 30 days of shooting?

“It was a physical role and its one of the reasons I really liked it and still do is because you really are running around every day and it’s extremely exciting when you’re having to move like that. I loved ballet, as a child and took a million ballet lessons, so I found that I utilised a lot of my dance training trying to figure out ways of moving that looked stylised but not phoney - especially all the fight scenes with Robert [Englund] rolling around on the bed and things like that. We would often spend a lot of time choreographing our fights so that they looked beautiful and graceful... and created more than just thrashing around. And of course Robert was trained at Rada, he had wonderful training in movement so we would often put the fights together anyway and practice what to do with that glove all the time, we always wanted it to be highlighted in the scene and look very dangerous and menacing.

Oh yes, the glove... that glove... 

“Oh yeah, well first of all a lot goes wrong with that glove! So you have to maintain your concentration, but sometimes it snags, it rips, your hairs getting pulled in the wrong direction… But the thing about horror is that you’re laughing and smiling and giggling and joking right until the camera is rolling, part of horror is recognising that you've got to make it scary... but you can’t walk around being scared, so what we would do is be incredibly relaxed and Wes would always kept up the mood, always joking and laughing and making us giggle... and then, when the cameras were rolling, you just had this ability to change... When it was time to be scared, or look scared, it just looked so great... I think in a lot of modern horror people are just too tense, there’s no relaxation and as a result the acting gets stiffer, I found that you needed to be relaxed so your body looked fluid through space and although you think 'when you’re scared you should go ridged', it doesn’t look good that way... maybe that’s reality, but it doesn't look beautiful on film, I think that’s what Wes taught me the most, that you have to be relaxed to be afraid on film and look good doing it.”

But were there any times you were actually scared?

“Gosh, you know people ask me that a lot and you know I don’t think I got spooked, I mean most of the effect, if you watch the movie now, are kinda’ silly looking, I mean tongue phone…  The stretchy arms across the alley way, all those things, set up in a line they are pretty silly looking… so nothing was that spooky except for Freddy’s glove... which just working with it was spooky! and you always have to be on guard. It’s a very dangerous implement.

So, were they really sharp knives then?!

“They were a combination of either very hard plastic, or dull, in some of the scenes they wanted them to make noise and so they would use metal, but always dull… never sharp! He never had a sharp pair round me… well maybe once, but I read him the riot act! I was like “Don’t you dare ever wear that near me..!” But even unsharp they were incredibly dangerous.”

Do you know who has the original glove?

“Ha, I must have 10 people every time I go to a show tell me they have the original, I wouldn't be surprised that it went missing because it was a really beautiful object and they had about 5 or 6 gloves so you know, it’s probably in someone’s garage, wrapped it…”

Waiting to return…

“There were so many and they were all worn at different times in the movie... But yeah it wouldn't surprise me… As it’s a total industry itself, people buying those Freddy gloves… so…."

Talking of Freddy, I wondered what it was like talking to him, fully... Freddied..?

“Well, he (Robert Englund) had a very dramatic personality and, believe it or not it actually over shadows the way he looked! His personality is so one of a kind, so grand, I mean he really had such a big personality, he’s very warm and affectionate and he really wants everyone around him to succeed and be happy, he’s very generous too, so I just never really noticed the Freddy make up on him, it’s like a mother, father or child who has a disfigurement, you just eventually don’t pay attention to it…”

Quite a big disfigurement though…

“yes, but the human brain has a way to normalise things, I think the first couple of days I winced a bit when I saw him, but it didn't last long and soon I didn't even react to it...  He had to wear the make-up all the time and when you see the person acting normally in this hideous make-up...  it’s not hideous any more.”

I had heard that in the original idea Freddy was not only a child murderer, he was also a molester, but they changed it so he would be more… ‘likeable…’

“No.. I the original script they called him a child murderer, they did not emphasise that he was a molester, he was not introduced that way… He was a child murderer and when my [Nancy’s] mother and father decide to kill him in the boiler room…

She paused

...Or where ever he lived… It was an act of vigilante justice and that is actually what starts all the problems for Nancy and  her friends. It’s not just about Freddy being a murderer, it also has a very strong sense of ‘two wrongs don’t make a right’ .... they are to blame for a lot of what goes on with Nancy and the children. 
I think that Wes made a strong statement that what the parents did was very bad... I had to ask Wes what he thinks about vigilante justice like this, and he feels that it is extremely wrong for society to take justice into its own hands, so there is a lesson to be learnt about that in the film. Whereas today it’s really glorified, I don’t think people take it the same way. But Freddy was just a really bad man who had killed a couple of the children on Elm Street, it was only later on, because child molestation became such a big deal in the 90s and what’s going on now that people made that association. But in the script I never really found support for that.”

Yes, I don’t think he would have been so popular and would have probably changed the dynamics of the film…

“Exactly, I don’t think Freddy would have grown into such a… some people would call it ‘entertaining’ figure if the cloud of being a child molester would have been a strong part of who he was, I think that the movies would have been that successful if that was really emphasised…. But what do I know?”

Heather and I drained our drinks, stared at the empty pizza boxes and then  stared at each other... Finally admitting to each other that we could eat some more, Heather remembered some soup she had in the cupboard, as she left to warm it up, I scanned the room and noticed her DVD collection... I remembered something I had read... I called through...

So is it true that you had only seen one horror movie before making the film??

“Well, yeah… "

She called from the next room.

"I just didn't know that there were horror films, I grew up in a very provincial town… you know, I hate the word but provincial, but it was… in Tulsa Oklahoma, people just didn't do horror films… I did see one called ‘Burnt Offerings’ with Karen Black, and that was when I was in 6^th grade… and of course I saw Jaws and Altered states…

Two great movies…

“Yeah, and movies like that,  I thought were really scary, but no bloody movies, no Friday the 13ths or Chainsaw Massacre and certainly none of Wes Cravens films! I didn’t even have friends who watched them… My favourite movies were movies about people in the wilderness trying to survive, or like Swiss family Robinson… I loved period drama and films about dead queens; I really loved anything about Anne Boleyn! Yeah, I didn’t even really know that horror was even around! 

But Nancy obviously did, I noticed that in the movie you, well she, is watching Evil Dead…

“Oh yes that’s right… yes, I had no idea what that film was, that was Wes’ idea, when he said he was going to play it I thought, ok… its you’re film… But I had never seen it before …

Heather re-entered the room carrying two steaming bowls of soup and some bread rolls, she handed me one and sat down.

So that was the first time you had seen it?

“Yes, well they kept playing that same little bit over and over, so I didn't really get an idea of what the movie was about. But once I got involved in this genre, I realised it was part of my homework to actually see horror movies, because people will often ask me to what I think of this horror film, or that movie, and so my husband (David LeRoy Anderson - Make-up artist) and I will sit down and watch the films but …”

...You still crave Anne Boleyn?

“yeah… Ha!

You know I think the last film I paid to go and see was ‘Dead Silence’… because my husband worked on it! But I don’t make a habit of going to see scary movies. I get scared!”

After all this talk about gloves and special effects brought me neatly on to my next question about a dream sequence with the famous 'melting staircase', so what was that staircase made of…? Bisquick, oatmeal? I even heard rumours of mushroom soup...

“I think I’ve heard it was a combination of all of those things! I told someone the other day it was mushroom soup but I think that was where my son vomits all over me in New nightmare…"

I stared down at my own soup... and carefully placed it down beside me... Heather seemed less bothered and tucked in... She continued... 

"But yeah it was something like oatmeal and Bisquick and other lumpy beige mixture... they carved out the carpeting and filled it all in with the stuff... talk about your easy special effects! It probably cost them about 3 dollars to make, but it was so effective I can’t tell you how many people love that scene."

“If you’re making a good enough movie you don’t need all that… The idea that you have to spend millions of dollars to create these monsters and explosions is just so misguided, because what you need to do first is have everyone believe in your movie! The suspicion of disbelief is the most important thing to have in a horror... I really think that computer generated effects do something to your mind, you really can’t be absorbed in what you’re watching and you become distracted. I think the simpler the better and I think the more home spun, the better they blend into the story.”

I couldn't agree more, but talking of special effects and reality...  there's a scene where Ronnie Blakely really gives Nancy a good slap... I wondered, 'Did she really hit you, or was that just astounding acting?!'

“Yes!  That was the worst part of the whole shoot, she was very into method acting and just couldn’t figure out how to do a fake slap, it was making her uptight, so we didn’t do many takes naturally after that she did actually hit me a couple of times! 

I looked at the clock, it was getting late, very late... I could feel my eyes getting heavy, but I wasn't here to sleep, I was here to keep Heather awake... We drained another cup of coffee and I sipped my RedBull... I looked over at Heather, she looked tired to... I could have done with one of Ronnie's slaps now! 

With a yawn, I carried on... 

'I haven’t seen it myself, but I wondered if you had been tempted by the new Nightmare on Elm Street movie' (2010) I asked.

“Nor me either, and I wouldn't because I'm not a big fan of the remakes, it’s like… um… like roast beef on the 5^th day”

Nice analogy!  

“It’s like ‘what’s the point?’ it’s just tasteless and there’s not that much left of the original. The early 80s was a very important time to set that film, it had a lot to do with the end of the nuclear family, divorce was becoming very prevalent and we were in a society where there were a lot of teenagers who were kind of set adrift by the new family situations... and so I think they've tried to recreate the past, but I don’t think they do a good job of it sometimes… I don’t think the the Nightmare on Elm Street story would be as successful in this new millennium.”

I couldn't actually agree with her on that, although I kept my mouth shut but I knew I'd love the film, whatever decade or century it was... 

“It was new schools and new clothes, it just didn't translate when I saw the previews, I though 'urgh' it looks horrible! Cheap and terrible and they just didn't capture what we were.”

But I could totally agree with that sentiment... 

“They didn't think it was important, but I really did”

... and kids aren't so naive any more…

“Yes exactly, the innocents of Nancy and Glen, even Tina and Rod... Sometimes I think 'is it quaint?'… But I don’t think it is…it’s just kind of heart-warming that there was a time when teenagers were so innocent, it’s like the way our parents looked back on the 40s and 50s and their own innocents, but since I have two grown children now I know for sure that that innocence is gone!

You know I just got back from a convention in Texas and I’d say that there were a couple of dozen, perhaps even more, real babies, under the age of 5 that not only could point at Freddy Kruegar but seemed to really enjoy him, like talk about him and sing the little song, so children today are experiencing Freddy in such a different way… I don’t relate to it because I don’t know how they’re relating to it, I don’t know how they’re parents allow them to watch it at such an incredibly young age and they’re so proud saying oh yes, I let him watch it and he’s fine! It’s our duty to maintain as much innocence in our children as possible… But I feel like I'm an old lady now to say that…”

Well she certainly didn't look like an old lady! She looked incredible. 

I admitted to Heather that I saw it when I was only 15 and it scared me silly! 

“Ha yeah, you’re lucky! You, and all the people who saw the film had such a great experience that I have never had.  I often feel very jealous because I never had that opportunity to feel those feelings that you do, and I wish sometimes I could erase my memory and see it with fresh eyes like the fans have. I think it would be fantastic to be able to do that.”

But how did you feel when you first it?

“We’ll I just still remember all the minutes leading up to the action and what happened after cut, I remember them greasing the tongue phone with KY Jelly and all the things that went wrong or the problems with the costumes. I mean I just remember to many of the details and as a result the movie is not just a movie for me, it’s a whole universe of memories of “Oh God, I wish I hadn't done that” or “That dress looks frumpy on me” …

So I guess you slept ok after seeing it…

“No I had no problem sleeping… Isn't that crazy?!”

But did you ever have nightmares, relating to Freddy?

“Yes, I did have a bad dreams from things that happened on set... The scene where the big tongue (‘Wes Craven's new nightmare’) comes out of the Furness and starts wrapping around my head... that gave me terrible nightmares for weeks after. I had my own child at that time and transferred a lot of that feeling to the action sequences... and had a lot of nightmares based on the psychological scenes, they enter your subconscious… So I have had my fair share of sleepless nights, not from the movie per say, but I think there are some humiliating experiences you have when you’re an actor – like you have to have a big tongue wrapped around your head and everyone’s laughing at it being a phallic symbol – yes, I think that’s what disturbed me most.”

Ha! 

In the film you were 19 or 20?

“I think I turned 19 in the summer”

And Nancy was meant to be 16? because you say that line “God I look 20 years old”

“Yes, I would often ask Wes, How did you think of that line? It is one of the funniest lines and it was so fun to say that line too”

Now, I know I am a big fan... I have all the movies on DVD... have watched them over and over and now I'm sitting here in Heathers house stopping her from falling asleep, but... well I'm just a big fan... and I head heard that poor Heather had even been stalked...

“I was, ironically it was after a TV series, [not Nightmare on Elm Street] and it was a real eye opener… I’d never been a celebrity from the film because it wasn't the kind of role that people paid attention to… There was no TV shows like 'Access Hollywood', so nothing to promote movies and as a result you had your opening night and that was pretty much it. The Hollywood machine was just starting and as a result I just escaped. But Warner brothers did everything they could to promote the TV series, so probably a million people saw the film, but then you’re on TV and you have 20 million people watching you every week... so as a result you do have a lot more notoriety and naturally you are going to have fans that aren't that stable.

Ironically it was a fan that was upset that our TV series ended... I played a religious and very proper young lady and he was obsessed by her. Fandom is fandom and I meet so many people these days  when I go to the autograph shows and there are such a wide range of people, families there, with babies in strollers with pink tutus on, seeming so wholesome, you know, the kind of people you would meet in a school playground. Then you will also have people covered in tattoos and piercings, wearing crazy outfits. I really appreciative and how they love the art form of horror and  Nightmare on Elm Street came to them in part of their lives when you can really grasp onto the strength that the kids, especially Nancy has…

You must get so many things brought to you, I thought... along with the espresso maker and pep pills that I had brought her... 

“I get so many gifts;

She spoke, all the while yawning and stretching her arms

I have to have a museum some day! A lot of people draw pictures of Nancy for me, I’ve had people write poetry and short stories about Nancy… I mean… Gosh… I’m also asked to sign crazy things like stuffed animals, this one woman brought me a stuffed animal to sign that she had through 9/11 and she has all her favourite stars sign this stuffed animal. Some people make dolls for me, they’ll take a Barbie and transfer her into a Nancy doll, with a costume and all her little props and they sew the little pyjamas, they decorate anything… literally the skies the limit! Everything than can be made with a Nancy theme has been made! I keep all of them in special storage area.”

I looked at the clock 3am... It was so late, my head was swimming... after a second my eyes re focused on the clock, it was 3:08... oh god had I been asleep? I looked at Heather, 

she had turned her head towards the window as if reminiscing, but then I noticed... oh no... her head was slumped and her eyes had closed... She was asleep!  I nudged her, she opened her eyes and shook herself... 

I handed her a Redbull and carried on chatting, not giving us the chance to drop off again...

So, I asked was there any feeling that this little film was going to be big?

“No, there really wasn't and I wish I had known because I might have conducted my career a little differently if I thought that this would be the character that I would be known for! Yes, I would have been a lot more enthusiastic about my role in this movie, horror was considered a B genre amongst all the principle producers and agents and they did pigeon hole people quite a bit back then and I just didn't want to be... Sometimes I think that I was too afraid of it.”

When did you realise?

“I really knew that the film was really popular when I saw my first little Freddy on Halloween. That was when I first thought this character is now part of our pop culture... And now its 30 years later and Freddy is a household name! I said to my husband the other day that I couldn't believe that it had been 30 years  and I'm still talking about this roll and it makes me feel really honoured

And it’ll probably be on my head stone ‘Heather, she was Nancy’”

You famously wear pretty cotton pyjamas, where are they now? 

“I have them in my closet, I actually put them on again to shoot the cover of my documentary and they barely fit…”

But they still do fit!!!

“They just simple Chinese pyjamas from china town, but you can’t find them anywhere, I’ve been

looking for 30 years!”

We laughed, but I have to admit, I wished my clothes would fit from when I was 19... No chance of that! 

Then suddenly I heard it, very distant at first and then louder, it was a childs voice,

 1, 2 Freddy's coming for you... 

What the...?! I wondered if Heather had heard it... "Heath..." I started but Heather, had changed... When did that happen? And why was she wearing that scruffy green and red stripped sweater?"

There it was again, louder and more distinct this time...

3, 4, Better lock your door...

My heart was racing now...  I looked back at Heather, who was now wearing a hat, a brown hat... just like.... just like....

5, 6 Grab your crucifix... 

I couldn't breath.... I couldn't think.... I couldn't.... Oh my god the glove... Heather was holding up the glove... But, But... How... ? How...?

7, 8 Better stay up late...

She... he... it spoke softly... "You fell asleep... You both fell asleep..."

You mean... You mean... You mean we had been asleep this whole time.... Oh my god! I tried to scream to wake myself up, I tried to find something, anything to hurt myself with to just wake myself up... But there was nothing... I looked back at Heather... But there was no Heather anymore... Just a burned, scared, disfigured man and he was getting closer.... 

9, 10 Never sleep again.................................................................................

* Amanda Wyss - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0944143/?ref_=tt_cl_t4

** I am Nancy - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1536421
                            http://iamnancy.net/



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